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    CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: St. Ignatius of Antioch
  • Biography of the bishop and writer. Ignatius was martyred at Rome sometime between 98 and 117 ... that St. Peter appointed Ignatius to the See of Antioch. ...
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Protestants, evangelicals,fundamentalists, do youconsider Ignatius of Antioch aheretic?
Why or why not?
As a protestant I do not hold the same beliefs as the Catholics do that outside the "Catholic" church no one can be saved (extra ecclesiam nulla salus), and their beliefs about the Eucharist. I happen to believe the elements are symbolic and we can have communion in remembrance of the last supper. As far as Ignatius being a "heretic", I am undecided at this point. I do know he played an important part of church history and was passoniate about his beliefs especially about the Eucharist. Below is some history behind the man and a defination of heresy for the reader to consider: Heresy, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, is a "theological or religious opinion or doctrine maintained in opposition, or held to be contrary, to the ‘catholic’ or orthodox doctrine of the Christian Church, or, by extension, to that of any church, creed, or religious system, considered as orthodox. By extension, [heresy is an] opinion or doctrine in philosophy, politics, science, art, etc., at variance with those generally accepted as authoritative." Before 325 AD, the "heretical" nature of some beliefs was a matter of much public debate. After 325 AD, some opinion was formulated as dogma. Each phrase in the Nicene Creed, which was hammered out at the Council of Nicaea, addresses some aspect that had been under passionate discussion and closes the books on the argument, with the weight of the agreement of over 300 bishops gathered from around the empire. However, that did not prevent the Arians who were defeated at the council of 325 from dominating most of the church for the greater part of the fourth century, often with the aid of Roman emperors who favored them. Irenaeus was the first to argue that the "proto-orthodox" position was the same faith that Jesus Christ gave to the apostles, and that the identity of the apostles, their successors, and the teachings of the same were all well known public knowledge. This was therefore an earlier argument on the basis of apostolic succession. Irenaeus' opponents claimed to have received secret teachings from Jesus via other apostles which were not publicly known. Excerpts from: http://www.economicexpert.com/ a/Heresy.htm Saint Ignatius was the Bishop of Antioch in the early second century. He was condemned to die in Rome during the persecutions and was fed to the lions of Rome’s coliseum (AD 107) While on his journey to Rome he wrote seven letters to seven churches. After reading these letters one thing is noticeable, his high view of the Eucharist. The Sacrament is the beating heart of his teachings. He echoes the sacrificial language employed in the Didache when he speaks of the church as “the place of sacrifice” where the episcopos (bishop) presides over the Eucharist. Ignatius marked those who deny the real presence as abject heretics “because they abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer; because they do not confess the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ.” (Smyrnaeans, 7). Ignatius said they should not even be served the Eucharist as doing so would precipitate spiritual death. More can be found at: http://rianadams.blogspot.com/ 2008/08/saint-ignatius-of-anti och-on-eucharist.html Also consider reading: http://www.ancient-future.net/ prots.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E xtra_Ecclesiam_nulla_salus
Regarding Ignatius of Antiochand the deity of Christ...?
Is it reasonable to conclude that an actual disciple of the apostle John would be in contradiction with his mentor's view on the deity of Christ ? Ignatius' GENUINE writings indicate he believed that Christ was God. Where did he get his doctrine from ? John, perhaps ? Are Ignatius' writings extra-biblical proof that John did indeed believe that Jesus Christ was God incarnate ? http://www.ondoctrine.com/2jwh 0003.htm Thanks in advance for all replies. Josie - Interesting reply. Are you quoting from the genuine or spurious epistles of Ignatius, and can you supply scholarly evidence to back up your claim, please ? Perhaps a web link ? Thanks for your reply. Josie - Ignatius' comments in his letter to the Smyrnaeans (and also to the Philadelphians) regarding the Eucharist may be somewhat mystical in tone, but they hardly constitute a doctrinal statement affirming the validity of transubstantiation. "..to have but one Eucharist. For there is one flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ, and one cup to (show forth) the unity of His blood" - Epistle to the Philadelphians. Judge for yourself. In regard to the use of the term "catholic" - I'm sure that you are aware that the basic meaning of the word is "universal". In the context of church matters, it pertains to the one, universal church of blood-bought believers in the Lord Jesus Christ. Unfortunately, Rome in her customary arrogance hi-jacked the term and it is now (more often than not) associated with the many errors of the apostate Roman "church". This was NOT the context in which Ignatius used the word, the Roman Catholic church proper not being formed until centuries later. So, Josie, to my original point. What are your thoughts concerning that ?
Ignatius of Antioch often spoke of "our God, Jesus Christ". A few years ago they discovered in Megiddo, the oldest Christian church dating back to the 2nd century. There they found a mosaic dedication that reads, "dedicated to the God Jesus Christ". This belief was confirmed by the 2nd century writings of Ignatius as well as Polycarp, Justin Martyr, Irenius and Clement of Alexandria. Perhaps they missed the memo from the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Archeology and early writings are providing more evidence that the trinity is a teaching dating back to the lifetime of the apostle John.
How many here know who St.Ignatius of Antioch was?
First correct answer gets the points. But there is more to this answer than who he was, I also want to know what he was first to do. Sandy you have half of the answer! His feast day is October 17 St. Ignatius of Antioch (1st century) Ignatius, a convert from paganism, succeeded Peter as bishop of Antioch, Syria. During the persecution of the Roman emperor Trajan, he was taken to Rome to be eaten by wild animals. Along the way, he wrote several encouraging letters to the Church. He was the first writer to use the term "Catholic Church." Sandy got most of the answer and some extra so in four hours she gets the points. Thanks for humoring me. Thanks for playing along I really wanted to just see a pleasant question and answer.
He was first to use the term "Eucharist" and first to call the body of believers the "Catholic Church"...I think. --- Well, I had to cheat to get part two. I found out that he was also the first to emphasize Mary's virginity. And also the first to declare the holy Trinity; and to present Jesus as both son of God and son of Mary.
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